There's one scene in particular that's got me thinking recently. Nick is helping his son do homework when the following conversation takes place; (ignore the different font and colors... I was too lazy to re-type it so I just copy/pasted it off a website.)
Joey Naylor: ...so what happens when you're wrong?
Nick Naylor: Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But you can't always be right...
Nick Naylor: Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But what if you are wrong?
Nick Naylor: OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say...
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom and choice when it comes to our ice-cream. And that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about
Nick Naylor: Ah! But that's what I'm talking about.
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best...
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right.
Joey Naylor: But you still didn't convince me
Nick Naylor: But I'm not after you. I'm after them [gestures to the crowd].
Nick Naylor: Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But you can't always be right...
Nick Naylor: Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But what if you are wrong?
Nick Naylor: OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say...
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom and choice when it comes to our ice-cream. And that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about
Nick Naylor: Ah! But that's what I'm talking about.
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best...
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right.
Joey Naylor: But you still didn't convince me
Nick Naylor: But I'm not after you. I'm after them [gestures to the crowd].
This conversation sums the movie up quite nicely, in my opinion. It's a satire mixed with the right amount of truth to make it subtly hilarious. However, I'm not trying to review the movie here. I'm making a point, so I'd better get to it.
The first thing Nick's conversation with Joey reminded me of were those Dell and Mac computer ads. Sounds strange, no? But hear me out. When Nick makes the claim, "I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right," it screamed of the computer commercials. The Dell commercials try to prove that Mac buyers are wrong, while the Mac computers try to prove that Dell buyers are wrong. Nothing actually gets solved and no value is derived from the statements. Except that the other guys are wrong.
Taking this to a macro level, I can see echos of it throughout our society. Port-of-Subs sandwiches are pretty good, but if Subway can prove that PoS is wrong, then Subway is right. UNR isn't the greatest school out there, but if CCU is wrong, then UNR is right. Iraqi people are people just like you and I, but if they are wrong* then America is right.
It's strange to see how much we use this logically defunct mindset in our everyday lives. It's even stranger** to think of a life void of it. I don't think we would get so hung up on the little stuff, y'know? Maybe we would stop caring about what country someone is from to or what car they drive or what band they like and just enjoy who they are. Maybe we wouldn't feel such an urge to steal or kill or trash talk if we realized this. I think that Nick, in a different scene in the movie, offers a strong counterpoint to this argument. When talking to an elementary school class about smoking, he exhorts them to "stop acting like sheep... and find out for yourselves."
Stop taking other people's word for it and find out for yourself! If the government says that someone is a threat, maybe we should see if it is credible advice.*** Instead of not liking Mac computers or Port of Subs sandwiches or different colleges or other races because of what someone tells us, maybe we should find out for ourselves.
Thanks for reading,
-Daniel K
*Whether the grounds for this claim are based on skin color, culture, religion, or whatever. The minute Iraqis become wrong and Americans become right, we suddenly find ourselves with the privilege of dictating to them how they should live.
**And a tad inspiring.
***Take this with a grain of salt. Obviously if someone has a bomb strapped to them, they can readily be considered a threat. But even then we still have to decide how to deal with said threat...
2 comments:
Its moments like this that you completely blow my mind with your awesomeness and I remember why your my friend.
The scene you just wrote about was the first argument which got me kicked out of a college class for thinking for myself too much. I made the almost exact same arguments that you did. Want to know what my professor said to me? He asked me if I smoked. I told him no, I could think for myself and I knew smoking was disgusting. He told me I would never know unless I tried it. And direct quote "(I) spend too much time thinking for myself and not enough time doing for myself." I told him he was selfish and that people who only do things without thinking only make the world worse. That if people just thought a bit more we would have so many stupid wars or prejudices. That it didn't matter who was right or who was wrong because every person's perception is different and there was no definite answer in the end.
You know what he said to me? That he was the professor and I was the student so that made him right and me wrong. That I was the one there to learn from his knowledge and I could get out and come back when I was ready to learn the right answers.
There were 22 other students in the classroom and no one stood up for me. No one has even acknowledged that I was right about any of it. It has always still bugged me. I'm really glad that someone else in the world was thinking the same thing I was when they saw this.
Thanks for thinking for yourself.
-Diana
Well I mean it is clear that UNR is better than CCU, but you do have a point with the other topics...
Especially the quote "stop being a sheep...and find out for yourself." This applicable to everything in life: religion, the news, bikes, colleges, clothing, brands, sandwiches, smoking, drinking and even drugs (I don't condone the use of drugs). Someday a day will come when everyone realizes they are all dudes....as the wise "Good-Burger" philosopher Kel once said "I'm a dude, he is a dude, she is a dude....We Are All Dudes!" There will be no need to trash talk or impress.
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