Thursday, December 10, 2009

Oh Theology.

I went to Theology class the other day expecting to get our final exam review sheet, maybe some words of encouragement, and a chuckle or two. Dr. Turner's Intro to Theology class has been a favorite of mine this semester, partly because I have never taken a formal study of theology, and partly because Dr. Turner is a great professor. What I got was a mind-blowing lesson that still has my thoughts racing.

Dr. Turner started out with three key positional truths. "I'm going to say some things today that might go against what you've been taught. Realize that everything I say, however, will not violate these truths;

1. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
2. Heaven never gets worse, only better.
3. Hell never gets better, only worse.

With these three points scrawled on the board, he drew two diagrams, explaining each.

You may view your life like this: You are born, sometime in your life you accept Christ and are "saved," then you live the rest of your life, then you die. From death, because of your decision to accept Christ, you enter into eternity with Him and begin your eternal life.

I agreed - this was the model I was familiar with. We live our mortal life, then once we die, we begin our eternal life.

He drew a diagram sort of like this (I'll try my best at drawing with letters:)

Born |--[saved]-----| Die
\-------------| 'Born' into eternity |----> [live eternally]


He paused, then continued. What if, instead of being born into a finite life and then someday entering into eternity, we are born into eternity? What if our life looks something like this:

/------{heaven}---->
Born |------[saved]--------| Die
<-----{hell}----/

This way, Dr. Turner explained, we are eternal beings from the get-go. At first, I thought he was splitting hairs. Then he explained further.

If we are born mortals and one day become eternal, there seems little point in living after you have accepted Christ. Once you are saved, you might as well die and go live in heaven, beginning your eternal life. Some would claim that the point of living after you accept Christ is to "preach the Gospel."

"But... what does that mean, exactly?" Dr. Turner asked, "I mean, do we preach 24/7? Or what? It almost seems like a cop-out answer."

But if we are born into eternity from the get-go, our lives take on a whole new meaning. Because if we are eternal from birth, our actions matter. What you do in this area, (he circled the line segment between "[saved]" and "| Die") matters.

I thought about this. It made a lot of sense but raised even more questions.

This means that you can't merely accept Christ and then live a life doing whatever you want, knowing that you have your "fire insurance." It means that your life, your words, your actions, matter.

It seemed like I had heard all of this before, but never explicitly mentioned all at once. It was awesome to see it all hashed out. But there was more.

Dr. Turner then wrote the word "Misthos" on the board. He defined misthos as the transliteration of a Greek word meaning essentially "payment for labor." He then cited several instances in Scripture where the word was used. The first was Matthew 20:8, where the master of the vineyard pays his workers their wages. (The word 'wages' was translated from misthos). The second is in 1 Timothy 5:18, where Paul quotes older Scripture, saying that the worker is entitled to his wages (again translated from misthos). Third, in James 5:4, where James warns not to withhold wages from workers, because by working they are entitled to their wages (and again, 'wages' was translated from misthos).

So far, so good. But then things got a little tricky. Dr. Turner explained that misthos was used a few other times in Scripture. In Matthew 5:11-12, we are told that though we will be persecuted, our reward in Heaven will be great. Yet the word reward here is translated from misthos, the same word which was translated 'wages' on other occasions.

"It seems that our... dare I call them cowardly?... Bible translators were a bit uncomfortable with the concept of us receiving our misthos, our wages, from God," Dr. Turner said. He then pointed out two other instances, in Luke 6:35 and Revelation 22:12, where misthos is translated 'reward' instead of 'wages.'

Next, he explained the difference. Reward implies that it's something that might happen out of good graces. A wage is something you are entitled to by a legal contract. If you work, you get paid. It's not up to the good graces of your boss, it's up to the letter of the law. He has no choice but to pay you.

It seems that the same thing happens between us and God. When we diligently serve Him, we are entitled to our misthos. We work for God, God is required to pay us.

This is where a lot of my questions come from. Referring to those three positional truths, I realize that we cannot earn our way into Heaven. Furthermore, God is the one Who gives us the opportunities to serve. We cannot do good for God without God having set us up to do that particular good. Therefore, we do not by any means control God - quite the other way around. But by doing good for God, we are entitled our reward. Because God is just, and He rewards the good and punishes the bad.

Thus, we are able to build up wages in heaven. Our experience in heaven is able to become better the more good we do on earth.

I told Dr. Turner that this sounded a bit like Christian Karma, where we do good and are rewarded for it, or the theology of Mormonism, where there are different "levels" of heaven which we can earn our way into. He denied both counts.

First, Karma implies that we are repaid for our good in this life. If you lend someone in need $5, you will find $5 later that day. (Obviously this is a simplified version, but you get the idea.) Dr. Turner explained that with our misthos, we are not entitled to it until we are in heaven. Thus, we are to do good expecting nothing back.

Furthermore, "Mormonism claims that at some level we can become like God. This is not supported in Scripture," Dr. Turner said, "the idea of misthos is not that we can become so good that we become like God, but rather that God displays his divine justice by paying us back all that we have done for Him."

I asked what exactly our misthos looks like. "I mean is it, like, a mansion we get or something?" I said facetiously.

"Honestly," Dr. Turner answered, "I have no idea. I only know that Heaven is incomprehensibly good - better than we are able to wrap our minds around. Yet by diligently serving God, our experience can become better."

I'm still not exactly sure what I think about all this. Nor have I read the original Greek to see the different uses of misthos. But I was blown away and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it all. Let me know what you all think.

As for now...


Thanks for reading,

-Daniel K

10 comments:

John Helgerson said...

Yo. So, How can a soul come from nowhere, to be born into iternal life? As plain humans we are always alive(sperm and egg) never just suddenely alive. So is soul transfered onwards from parents or does it suddenly come out of nowhere or God?

If heaven only gets better, then why not do only what is necessary to get in and then watch your wages grow?


If you can build up wages for heaven, then there has to be different levels of reward. Otherwise a small earnings would be rewarded as equally with great earnings.

Finally,
you said that we do not expect anything back and thus it isn't karma. But you are expecting something back, even if you don't want to admit it. You are expecting to get into heaven and be rewarded or paid. Now, since you are expecting this, are the things you do, with the purpose of getting into heaven, on earth really still Good?

John H

Daniel said...

Yeah! A lot of the same questions I am wondering.

About the soul: I'm not too sure, honestly. I think thats the huge questions (as far as Christians go) regarding abortion. Does a "person" gain their "personhood" as soon as that sperm fertilizes the egg? Or is it sometime during the pregnancy? Like I said, I don't know. I do believe that God plans things out, and as such he knew when you and I were going to be conceived and born and so on and so forth. (The Bible does say that God knits us together in the womb.) As far as where a soul comes from, (and again I am unfamiliar with such theological/philosophical arguments,) I believe God creates souls out of nothing and imbues us with them.

About Heaven being good/better. This was one of my main questions to Dr. Turner (along with the Karma thing, which I'll get to in a second.) I know that as you grow closer to Christ and His being, you desire to do "good" more and more. It is a natural reaction to recognizing His surpassing greatness and consequently our unimaginable smallness. This is what worship is; Realizing our human estate and reacting in a way which brings God glory, whether this means singing praises to Him (what usually comes to mind when you think of "worship,") or going out and serving others or what have you.

As such, I would submit that if someone accepts Jesus as a "fire insurance" concept, knowing that in doing so he/she will be guaranteed a spot in Heaven and then can do whatever he/she wants, that person does not fully grasp what it means to follow Jesus. If one truly realizes the implications and ramifications of Jesus, he/she will find it insane to want to do "only what is necessary." That person will find "giving it all" simply irresistible.

Along with that, I want to re-emphasize that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. This means that there is absolutely no good thing you can do to get into heaven. That only comes through a profound recognition of faith in Jesus' words and work.

About the different levels of reward. I agree. The concept of "storing up your treasures (wages) in heaven" comes to mind. It seems that those who serve God more and do more for His glory receive more in heaven than those who do less, just as workers who work more are paid more. I wonder what these wages look like?

I think a few truths about Heaven are in order here. Heaven essentially reforms who we are. The phrase, "heaven never get worse, only better" means that Heaven is incomprehensibly good. Here's where the "reforming who you are" part comes in. Heaven is not unimaginably good because you get all that you (your "flesh," as the term goes) desire. You don't get a million super-hot virgins and a nice car and the ability to fly. Rather, heaven is so good because we are made whole and brought into communion with God. We no longer feel jealous of others because we fully understand that the God of the Universe loves us dearly. We no longer feel fat or out of shape or inadequate or short or dumb or anything, because we fully realize that God made us who we are for a reason, and that reason is perfect. As such, I don't think that in heaven you'll be having a really good time and then see someone walking by with a wheelbarrow full of "wages" and wonder why you didn't do better. The concept of Heaven is oneness with God. Which is something I can't even begin to think about practically.


Just a sec...

Daniel said...

Okay, here's the rest:


About Karma. That is exactly what I said to Dr. Turner. I asked if we then run the risk of doing good in order to gain a reward, as opposed to doing good in order to bring God glory (huge difference there.) Because, as you pointed out and I am not afraid to admit, we Christians DO expect something back for our good. Dr. Turner read me a passage from a devotional book (I forget who the author was and his exact words, sorry,) but basically the author wrote that you must hide your good deeds even from yourself, because in realizing you've done good... by thinking, "wow, I'm doing so much good," ... you run the risk of defiling all that you've done. The Bible says that you are to give with your right hand in such a way that your left hand doesn't know, and to pray in secret so no one knows but God.

It's a strange concept. It kinda reminds me of "The Game." You know, the one where you're winning only as long as you're not thinking about it. When you remember "The Game," you lose. I don't want to say that doing good is so trivial as The Game, for I think God is much more complex than that, but it kinda seems similar. And the answer isn't something I'm even close to finding out.

Good questions, man. Sorry I don't have any concrete answers for you. I'm still learning just as much as you are about all of this. Hope some of that helped, though.

Seeya soon!


-Daniel K

Devin said...

You know Daniel that I don't like or try to argue about these things. If someone asks me about them, I dont' mind explaining. And I do like to hear what other people believe, so please don't take this as me saying that you're wrong.

John brought up some good questions and I would like to hear your answers. How does a soul just *appear?* It seems to me that if it's nature is eternal, it should have always existed.

Also, you didn't really get into this, but I wanted to ask about it. How are you saved? And is it enough to merely be saved, or do you need to (for lack of a better word) *renew* your salvation? Can you be *unsaved?*

Please, let me know what you think about these, what the doctrine is concerning them. Like I said, I'm curious. I don't know a whole lot about other christian churches, and I'm interested in learning.

Devin said...

"About the different levels of reward. I agree. The concept of "storing up your treasures (wages) in heaven" comes to mind. It seems that those who serve God more and do more for His glory receive more in heaven than those who do less, just as workers who work more are paid more.

You better be careful Daniel. This sounds suspiciously like Mormon teachings.

John said...

"This is what worship is; Realizing our human estate and reacting in a way which brings God glory,".


then christians strive to bring glory to God? A God who, if you worship him, is infinitely powerful/all knowing, who, it would seem, wouldn't need any more glory. Why would you worship something that needs you to glorify him?


I don't mean to sound like a jerk, haha, sorry. And I'm not trying to call you out or anything.

Daniel said...

Devin - No problem, friend. I totally don't see you as trying to tell me I'm wrong.

That being said, you've officially persuaded me to research. Congratulations! Hahaha, Im going to do some poking around with my professors/roommates/pastors and see what some perspectives on the origination of souls are. Like I mentioned, I have never looked into it. This should be fun.

Secondly (Devin) you are saved through grace by faith. I realize this is a "Christainese" phrase, so let me explain. Jesus says He is the "way, the truth, and life" and that no one gets to the Father except through Him. This is where the "absolutism" of Christianity comes from. Christians believe there is one single path to unity with God and consequently to eternal life with Him, and that is Jesus. Jesus lived a completely sinless life and as such was the ONLY human being to be deemed righteous in God's eyes (although Jesus, of course, was and still is God... something I don't think we can fully understand but which is top on my list of "questions I'll ask God someday.") Yet God judged Jesus as if Jesus were the worst of all sinners, despite his spotless record. Jesus thus became an atoning sacrifice for we, the sinful sots here on earth. If we confess our with our mouths an believe in our hearts that Jesus died for us and that (of key importance) Jesus was risen from the dead, then His righteousness is credited to us. Thus, we are saved. God deems worthy of His presence because we accepted the free gift of grace offered through Jesus.

Can someone "lose" their salvation? Personally, I do not think so. Yet there is a host of way smarter theologians who would disagree with me, as well as many who would say I am right. That's a whole new can-o-worms, as theologians have been debating that since Christian persecution broke out around the time Jesus ascended into Heaven.

Again, I personally believe that if you're saved, its irrevocable. Once you're "in," you're "in." If someone says they were saved and then later falls away from the faith and rejects God, I would submit that they were not saved to begin with. I realize this has a tendency to come off as harsh and/or judgmental, but I really don't see how someone can lose their salvation. At the same time, however, I realize that God is infinitely smarter than I am, and that it's possible for both to exist. That is, I ma someday ask God, "So is it possible for someone to lose their salvation, or once they have it can they never lose it?" And he would answer, "yup."

Also, a quick side-note on our rewards in heaven. Like you, I am not striving to offend, merely to put forth my viewpoint. It seems that in light of Dr. Turner's lesson, one who does more for God can expect more from God. Yet contradictory to Mormonism, my faith teaches that once you die, you face judgement and are sent into either eternity with God (heaven) or eternity apart from God (hell.) There is no overtime, no 1000 years, only judgement upon death for what you were accountable for.

Daniel said...

John - I am glad you asked this question. This was a huge thing for me when I was investigating Christianity. Christians propose that the end-all goal of your life is to glorify God. To be frank, I didn't like that answer. It seemed too simple, too bland, too pointless.

Yet our human nature itself points to that. We all worship something, bring glory to something, whether we like it or not. Robbie Halleen, my old youth pastor, once said that "everybody worships something. If you think you don't, then you don't understand the definition of worship."

Worshipping something means putting it on a pedestal. It means elevating something above other things and, consequently, giving it glory. I worship CCU because I put it on a pedestal above other schools, and in doing so I give it glory (you've heard me do this before. I talk about how great the Ghetto is, how I like the city around CCU, etc.) I worship money because I put that on a pedestal. I work day in and day out to gain more money and in doing so, inadvertently give it glory... if one takes a moment to think, you will see how people with intense passions in life deny their wants and instead get a steady job to get good money. What better way to give money glory than to sacrifice your passions for it!

All that to say, Christians strive to make God "#1." A true Christian will worship God more than he/she worships anything else, will devote his/her life to God, and in so doing will bring Him more glory than he/she brings anything else. Glory must not be defined narrowly as talking about how great God is, but rather seen as giving your first, your best, your true self, to Him.

It seems odd at first to want to bring God glory for the rest of your life, but once you glimpse the human condition, it's not all that absurd. And, may I be so bold as to say, that once you begin to see His bigness and your own smallness, you wonder why you would ever want to glorify something else more. Though we often (too often) do.

Also, you hinted at something that I want to confirm. I feel like many Christians misconstrue human existence into something its not. Basically God doesn't need us. He doesn't. God is 100% love, 100% just, 100% awesome, so on and so forth. He doesn't need us to make Him any more or less so. He didn't create us because He was lonely or because He wanted something more, because he exists in perfect community and has everything. He created us, rather, out of an overflow of His surpassing goodness.

If you experience something really awesome, say the first time you had ice cream, would you not want to invite others in to enjoy it as well? You want to share this joy you've found with others. So God decided to create a people who could one day share in His perfection, who could enjoy what He is enjoying.


Hope this helps you all. Again, I really enjoy this and it is in no way offensive or annoying. Although my fingers are getting rather tired, so I wouldn't mind talking face-to-face about any of this sometime!


-Daniel K

John said...

"Jesus lived a completely sinless life". Have you heard of the Gospel of Thomas, i think it is? It was one of the ones decided to not be put in the bible, but it tells about his childhood, in which he did some ridiculous stuff, sinful stuff.


And one more question: What is the point of Hell? I thought God was supposed to be infinitely compassionate, yet how can he sentence someone to hell for infinity. What would be the point in sending someone there for infinity anyway? Certainly not to change them, just torture them. It seems like a better idea, i would think, would be to send them there until they realize their sins and regret, or something.

Anywho, you don't have to comment back, I'll probably see you in a week or two, ya?

Daniel said...

John and Devin - My fingers are about to fall off. It's finals week and so I've been doing a lot of writing/studying/typing. I look forward to meeting with both of you when I get back to Nevada to discuss The Gospel of Thomas, the point of hell, and all the other good stuff face to face.

Tee-tee for now, ta-ta for then!


-Daniel K